Chibuzor F. Ogamba:- The hypocrisy of celebrating Christmas without the Mother of God.
Victor:- She isn’t the celebrant.
Chibuzor F. Ogamba:- victor,i can’t remember the celebrant being the only one in the picture at birthdays,if you reason with me,the parents are rightly part of the birthday picture….was there ever a christmas crib or photo without the BABE IN HIS MOTHER’S ARMS???
Chuka:- You have something against non-catholics
Chibuzor F. Ogamba:- chuka,something against non-Catholics??what else but NON-CATHOLICISM,what else,but NON-CHRISTIANITY,what else,but ADULTERATION OF GOSPEL TRUTH,and yet apart from that,not all NON-CATHOLICS are guilty,the sincere ones are doing the right thing,without sentiments……
Ogemdi:- MARY,WAS JUST A VESSEL AND SHE WILL BE HONOURED JUST LIKE OTHERS BUT SHE IS NOT THE REASON FOR D SEASON
Chibuzor F. Ogamba:- Ogemdi,thats how you downsize Christianity to the public,this vessel,was not any kind of vessel,was not the kind of vessel that gave you your sinful flesh and blood,this vessel was GOD’s VESSEL,who gave him his IMMACULATE FLESH and BLOOD.This vessel,God himself needed,respected and honoured,this vessel,God loved so dearly,to have raised her to the dignity of calling her MOTHER,Woman,the New Eve,the First Christian,and then also,this vessel,God gave to us,as our spiritual Mother,if i Love Jesus who loves Mary,how much should i love Mary whom Jesus Loves..
The Main Reason for the season is Christ Jesus,our Lord,and Saviour,God in the Flesh,but Mary is the REASON The REASON FOR THE SEASON HAD A DWELLING ON EARTH IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN,THE REASON WHY THE REASON FOR THE SEASON WAS BORN TO A DAVIDIC,ROYAL AND PRIESTLY TRIBE,THE REASON WHY THE REASON FOR THE SEASON AT THAT YOUNG TENDER AGE COULD BE BORN FOR THEIR TO BE A SEASON FOR THe REASON TO BE CELEBRATED IN THE SEASON,last time i checked,Christianity is true,and TRUTH does not leave out any detail,even the slightest.
Victor:- Ogamba,i dont know why catholics observe unnecessary protocols, mary was just an instrument for the reason of the season.
in the eyes of men mary is the mother of God but in heaven he smiles at us as he has existed before mary.
So why don’t we accord respect to whom respect is due?
Chibuzor F. Ogamba:- hahaha,see how you contradict yourself victor,if she’s the Mother of God only in the eyes of men,then you mean to say Jesus her son is God only in the eyes of men.That is wrong.Jesus is God,and existed before her,She is the daughter of God the Father,and when we say she is the Mother of God,we do not mean she existed before God,but that She gave birth to someone who is God,that’s the meaning of “Mother”. Respect is due to her as well as respect is due to our parents,the saints,and the other holy people of God,especially those who worked hard for your salvation.God honoured her first,the honour of making her his Mother,obeying her,running errands for her,learning from her,and taking flesh and blood from her,staying with her for 30 years of his life on earth.God didn’t do these because she was greater than Him,but because He loved her so much,he loved and continues to Love his Masterpiece,that Woman who is his Ark,The ark of the new covenant in Christ……
If God honoured her and respected her,then if i love God and adore God so much i should respect and honour She whom he has honoured,the bible says,all generations will call Mary blessed for the almighty God has done great things for her.Luke1:.46-48…..Secondly,In the Catholic Church and in our dealings in our relationship with God,and our Lord Jesus Christ,we dont do protocol because its not an office or a court,we do sharing and love because its a family,the family of God’s people,with Christ at its centre. So loving and venerating the Mother of the Family has not taken away but rather increased the Love of the Father…in that whole economy of Love…its all about Love victor,how much do you love Jesus,??then how much should you love his Mother.who he wanted to share with you,by making you partakers in that Divine Heritage,.the Divine sonship.
The Church,the pillar and foundation of Christianity’s truth(1Tim3:15),has meditated on this for over 2000years; and the Holy Spirit has gradually expounded to her the Divine Mysteries,the Mystery of the Inner Life and economy of a God who is Love. That is the Family I belong to,that is the Church I am glad to be a cell of,that is the Catholic Church…the MYSTICAL BODY OF CHRIST.
Victor:- I know there is nothing I can do to convince you here bro but you really need to google some information about the origin of the catholic church….You also need to know why martin luther was threatened when he left you guys but remember not only because of the marriage stuff.
Note the trinity of God:God the father, the son,the holy spirit. god the mother was never included. Since they are what we need when reaching the father,so why then should mary intercede on your behalf when christ is the link.
Chibuzor F. Ogamba:- hmmm,I have studied,its you who havn’t. I have prayed
too.maybe you should try these out.
Victor:- I did ask a question you’ve not answered.
Chibuzor F. Ogamba:- emm,what question is that again??
Christ is the one mediator between God and man,and he stands in need of no other mediator,he is the only mediator.and that is also the central teaching of the catholic church,yet,what christ did on the cross of calvary has enabled each one of us to share in that one mediatorship of christ..that is why we can pray for one another,or go to our priests and pastors to pray for us.WE ALL WHO ARE REDEEMED HAVE BEEN DRAWN INTO CHRIST AND HAVE BEEN MADE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THE FATHER.that is why even in romans 15:30, Paul asks people to pray for him to God,but among all the redeemed,Mary stands out as the number one intercessor to her son Jesus,this is because,she was the first to be saved,she had a unique relationship with God which none of us can have to that extent,conceiving GOD IN HER WOMB,GIVING GOD flesh and blood,also,God raised her to that position of mediatrix,as she also participated in the work of suffering that brought about our salvation,she was intimately connected to jesus suffering on the cross and partook in it,…remember simeon’s prophecy in luke 2,he told mary,’a sword shall pierce ur own soul too so that the secrets of many will be laid bare’….and finally she is our mother in the order of grace as she was made so by her son jesus who is GOD.also,another reason why mary stands out is that,she is the holiest creature who evr lived and is now with her son in heaven,the bible says,in james 5,that the prayers of the righteous availeth much,mary is the most righteous of God’s creatures,and so we trust ourselves in her orayers to her son jesus christ who is God. these and many many other reasons are why we pray with and to mary,
Victor:- You need to meditate on these verses okay? matt.11:11, matt 11:27, matt 12:48, john 14:6-7,and john 15:16-17
Let us look at these things from the spiritual aspects.reference to the scriptures Mary wasn’t the first and only to be saved.
So if mary gave birth to Jesus,that means she is an intercessor? Remember It’s you folks that gave the authority
Talking about prayinig for one another,yes it’s normal but mary is dead so its unusual.
Me:- hehe..Victor go and do your homework..